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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

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  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  Had Enough

  Thankyou msil and cyberguy for providing the Questions for Readers info. I've been reading it over and its quotation from the 1950 Watchtower.

  In the 1999 WT, it makes it sound like its totally up to the individual to vote if they so desire...and if we conside the 5 factors, then as true JWs, we will be neutral, be good ambassadors, not stumble other JWs, will put our trust in God etc. but if we do vote, we understand we have to answer to God for our decision. To the world (and the UN) it looks like we can make up our own mind on voting but we see through the wording.

  Even the quotation from the 1950 WT makes it "appear" to be all left up to us but here is what the whole paragraph really said in comparing registering for the army and registering to vote:

  In lands where military conscription is in force Jehovah’s witnesses register the same as all others within the age limits, and they write down their relationship to the matter....(Luke 2:1-5, NW) But it is when these ministers of Jehovah’s Word are called up for induction into the army that then they present themselves and take their stand according to God’s Word and pay to him what belongs to him.

  Likewise where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote. After they have registered and when election day comes, they can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith.

  23 It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot. They must act in accord with their conscience as enlightened by the study of God’s Word. In lands where voting is not compulsory, the ministers of Jehovah’s Word remember that his people are theocratically organized

  That's plain enough when the whole paragragh is quoted. When, after registering, JWs were called up for induction, we all knew what our stand was to be. So comparing voting to that situation made the required decision plain.

  Ranchette said:

  Something very interesting about this Question from reader article is that they sent the Cos out to all the congregations to verbally tell us, the rank and file, that the original rules stand, that the article was for Jws in other countries. You vote , automatic disassociation.

  Is that possible written anywhere for reproduction to show to the UN?
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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  Had Enough

  This thread has had me consumed for the past 2 days, and I have been on the phone with several friends that I knew would be shocked but receptive to hearing this....my family may have the opposite reaction, but I am going to try to reach them with this anyway.

  My heartfelt thanks to all who have done such an exhaustive amount of research to bring this to our attention.

  In the meantime, someone posted this:

  Is voting still an automatic DA? ...I know of no retraction of the DA steps to be taken as outlined in the elder's book for one who votes (at least in the US), but isn't voting permitted in some countries due to the recent change as noted in the Question from Readers a few years back?

  Can anyone tell me what magazine has this 'Question from the Readers' subject?

  My WTS CD ROM only goes to 1995 and I couldn't pull anything up in the search that showed any change in the WT's voting policy.

  Thanks for any help on this, people.
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  Brain dead JWs

  by Stealth in

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  here is a prefect example of the; dont confuse us with the facts mentality of most jws.. .

  http://www.greatcrowd.com/159ubb/forum22/html/000263.html.

  sorry folks, the whole board moved over night and it looks like they did'nt bring any of the old posts with them.

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  Had Enough

  Hi all:

  I remember reading over there that at the end of September the site was changing from www.greatcrowd.com to www.greatcrowd.net

  So I don't know yet if that discussion will have been carried over to that site or not.

  Hope this helps
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  SL Talk Show Sunday www.meria.net

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have heard of reports of certain individuals raising issues about the upcoming interview on the meria heller show.

  i thought i would offer a few comments to explain the basis for doing so.. i was contacted by meria heller about a month ago and had a nice conversation with her over the telephone.

  she mentioned she has a internet broadcast to around 20,000 listeners around the world.

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  Had Enough

  CONGRATULATIONS BILL:

  I've already posted this reply on another site but I wanted to make sure you saw my congratulations to you. The more exposure you can get out there, certainly the better to make this horrible injustice known to the world and especially to the loyal JWs who thought like I did...that the organization is a haven of purity and moral goodness.

  I was only able to get online to hear the last 15 minutes of the interview, but in that 15 minutes, Bill didn't miss a beat. He exposed the WTS and the JWs that supported Erika's molester and all the other elders who have done as directed by the WTS....that is to keep quiet through "ecclesiastical privilege".

  btw...when is it a "privilege" to persecute a victim by supporting a molester? When is it OK to persecute a victim by protecting the "image" and money of the so-called God's organization on earth?

  Any JW hearing this or being told this account, should feel nothing but extreme humiliation and embarrassment at being called a JW.

  To top it off, everything Bill said can be proven through documentation. Any doubter out there reading this should be shown the proof in black and white when they try to fluff off our exposure of this as "just apostate lies".

  I'm looking forward to hearing the beginning of this tape. I'm sure it will be in Meria's archives on her site.

  Had Enough

  "Never doubt that a small group of citizens can change the world.
  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."...Margaret Mead
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  Thank you Bill and Meria(Interview)

  by sf in

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  wow!

  someone (ranchett's husband) actually knows her well enough to talk to her directly?

  awesome.

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  Had Enough

  CONGRATULATIONS BILL:

  I was only able to get online to hear the last 15 minutes of the interview, but in that 15 minutes, Bill didn't miss a beat. He exposed the WTS and the JWs that supported Erika's molester and all the other elders who have done as directed by the WTS....that is to keep quiet through "ecclesiastical privilege".

  btw...when is it a "privilege" to persecute a victim by supporting a molester? When is it OK to persecute a victim by protecting the "image" and money of the so-called God's organization on earth?

  Any JW hearing this or being told this account, should feel nothing but extreme humiliation and embarrassment at being called a JW.

  To top it off, everything Bill said can be proven through documentation. Any doubter out there reading this should be shown the proof in black and white when they try to fluff off our exposure of this as "just apostate lies".

  I'm looking forward to hearing the beginning of this tape. I'm sure it will be in Meria's archives on her site.
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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  Had Enough

  I am in absolute shock.

  First of all, I can't believe I almost missed this whole topic. Not knowing what NGO meant in the subject of the thread, I stupidly didn't even open in until a chat buddy asked me what I thought of it. duh!

  (ps-thanks, my friend) I spent all of last evening reading this and the other threads on this subject.

  Most of all though, I am in shock that yet another deceitful and immoral act has been carried on right under my nose while I was still active as a JW. They are doing the very opposite of what I believed they "said" they were doing...that is taking a stand against the "kings" and rulers and governments of the world...while also keeping unspotted from any association with Babylon the Great.

  Association????...now they've jumped right into bed with her AND the wild beast.

  How can they possibly justify this? Didn't they "yell from the rooftops" how different we are from the rest of the world, so clean and pure in our worship?

  Now its OK to use whatever underhanded method possible to "further their kingdom news"? Join hands with Babylon the Great and ride on the back of the wild beast....as long as we can get recognition and therefore get favours from the governments of the world?

  Where is that written in the bible?

  I'm sure they're going to try to softpedal this travisty by saying they're not "joining" the UN...they're "not a part of the UN", but they can't escape the black and white description of their duties and obligations they agreed to uphold in order to become an NGO.

  My sincerest thanks to MacHislopp and hawkaw for all your work and enthusiasm in bring this to our attention...and to all the rest of you who have contributed to making this known to others who need to know.

  I too want to start making this known....it can't be allowed to be swept under the rug as the borg has done with so many other things.
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  This Just Burns Me UP! [:(!]

  by Aintthatcute in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have read a great deal from the silentlamb's web site, not to mention other sites that are following this atrocity!

  it would seem to me, and you can probibly bet, when something like this comes to the attention of the elders; that all of thier children are warned to stay clear of "publisher alleged child abuser"!

  even though they are supposed to be "hush-hush" about it.

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  Had Enough

  Hello Aintthatcute:

  First of all let me say a belated "welcome to the board". I've been reading but not posting much lately but thought I'd like to jump into this topic.

  You said:

  I think since You Know, a.k.a YK, posted, we have drifted off course of the original message

  I totally agree and for that reason I don't and won't read or answer any of YKs posts. However the only good that does come from some replies to him is that his misleading and faulty thinking is pointed out to any lurker who might be influenced by him.

  So that being said, in answer to your question of "would elders tell their immediate family to steer clear of one he knew was accused of molesting?":

  I certainly would hope they would. I would hope that they had not been so totally brainwashed by the "loyal to the borg's rules equals loyalty to God" and "do nothing that might bring reproach on God's name" thinking, that they would endanger their own children.

  How could they live with themselves if they didn't warn their family and then one of his own became the next victim?

  For that matter, I wonder how they can live with themselves if anyone else becomes the next victim because they weren't warned.

  So if there would be "a mass mutiny" if the WTBS said they would be df'd if they told even their own family...I wonder why isn't there a mass mutiny now if they aren't supposed to inform the authorities to determine his guilt or innocence and tell the congregation of an accused molester in their presence?

  To me, that rule of "don't inform the authorities if it isn't required in your State" should have caused a mass mutiny already.
  
  What does that say of the brainwashing capabilities of the WTS?

  YES this does just burn me up too!!! [>:(]

  Hopefully the exposure to the world that is coming from ones like silentlambs and other helping him and from the victims themselves who are able to speak out, will prick the consciences of more elders to join those taking a stand against the WTS policies.

  Hopefully too it will lift the burden that many troubled elders now must be feeling and spur them into action.

  Hopefully, most of all, the waking-up of the elders (and the general r&f for that matter), will protect more innocent children from the protected molesters still running loose.
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  Some Light Humor

  by AlanF in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife sent me this little ditty that has been making the rounds:.

  if men wrote cosmopolitan.... q: my husband wants to experience three-in-a-bed-sex with me and my sister.. a: your husband is clearly devoted to you.

  he cannot get enough of you, so he goes for the next best thing: your sister.

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  Had Enough

  Alan: I like your wife's sense of humour. Thanks for my morning giggle.

  waiting:
  

  giggle...snicker....grin.....snort.....chuckle....laugh right out loud. And continue to smile while typing this.

  
  My reaction too...and I bet we'll see women having the same reaction while the men's reaction will be like Kent's:

  That's the spirit :)))

  LOLs Kent...thanks too.
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  Afghan Women under Taliban

  by Tina in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

  graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

  carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

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  Had Enough

  Hey Tina:

  Just want to thank you for bringing this to our attention. Up until last night I had no idea what was going on in Afghanistan especially for the women and children. My heart just breaks for these poor people who have no real understanding of whats going on in the rest of the world....only trying to survive minute by minute.

  Our little contrite sillinesses we talk about here seem so mundane to their daily plight for a scrap of food for themselves and their children. I clicked onto your link and was appalled and then watched the news show last night (to be aired tonight again at 7pm) and just sat numbed by the senseless, unbelievable atrocities that are heaped upon innocent people in the name of upholding pure religion. I'm outraged and feel totally helpless when I see these poor people just trying to find a little food for their daily sustenance.

  I haven't posted much lately for personal reasons but this just overwhelmed me with such a feeling of helplessness....I just can't understand an all-powerful God allowing these attrocities to continue for so long. These men spew their religious beliefs like we should all tremble in fear of them and their god...how can they commit these unspeakable things and still claim to have such a pure religion.

  Sorry to vent on so much....I just don't understand this all.
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  Last Post

  by joelbear in

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  i love so many of you so very much.

  what wonderful people there are here and how i have rejoiced in our spirits joining.. i have, as i said, given up.

  i am disconnecting from this board and from a number of other things in my life.. i am staying connected to mitch.

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  Had Enough

  Hey joelbear:

  I realize you don't know me from a hole in the ground, and this may not be a good time for me to answer your post as I'm in a real emotional "funk" right now.....but I'm sorry to see you leave...I've enjoyed your posts even if I haven't answered many of them.

  I wish you peace and happiness whereever you go...hope you'll pop in and join us once in awhile. Right now....I'm feeling more like an observer than a participant, but I'll miss your objective and yet emotional viewpoint. Your posts have touched my heart. Come back and visit please?